Myrthryn, step back a moment and look at this rationally: if no attack occurs, then we are to attribute it to the ‘exposure’ by Vanderbeek; if an attack does occur, then we are to attribute ‘insider knowledge’ to Vanderbeek, who claims the federal government is really a de facto Nazi regime.
Riiiiight.
In other words, all forthcoming evidence no matter what eventually happens will back up Vanderbeek. Our hero.
This is the hallmark of conspiracy thinking. And it’s irrational because it cannot be falsified. You’ve been duped into taking this crazy talk seriously. Taking unfalsifiable conspiracy theories seriously is a clear sign of a mental disorder because it dissociates any and all evidence provided by reality from having any effect on the conspiracy belief.
Start using your critical faculties and look at what informs Vanderbeek’s belief to see if the conclusion is rational. Trusted insiders? What trusted insiders? Note the assertion: one person associated with an ‘Intelligence service’ (someone whose son-in-law is a security guard at a mall?) and another who is associated with the ‘military’ (an on base dental assistant who happens to have sexual fantasies about the local Teabagger candidate, perhaps? Who knows?)
Come on.
And that this is the strongest evidence put forth doesn;t raise a few red flags in your evaluation?
The rest of the conspiracy just gets crazier and crazier because it involves thousands of co-conspirators doing their part… to kill children. How does this make any rational sense? Well, it doesn’t. Only a person deranged by some other superior belief – like a religious whack job – could possibly justify such an atrocity. The rest of us cannot.
How does killing citizens by home made pressure cooker bombs bring benefit to an equivalent degree anyone who works for the FBI? Present an FBI agent who is willing to cause mass murder in the name of ‘growing government’ (and recall that every employee is a real person who is a member of some family, a neighbour to real people, and another citizen just like you working for a federal law enforcement agency, after all). Does this nefarious plan carried out in Boston by people who admit to carrying it out make any sense to you? Would you participate in such a plan? Why would anyone else unless they were deranged enough to confuse pain and suffering and destruction and death with patriotism, who were willing to hold their government’s ‘growth’ in higher esteem than the life of an 8 year old boy cheering on marathon runners?
Look, emergency response tests are run all the time. We had one in our city just a few weeks ago involving hundreds of community college students to test responses from local police and firefighters to hospital preparedness for mass casualties. Once you’ve lived through a SARS epidemic or forest fire evacuations as we have here, you begin to realize just how important organized responses are. How are you going to improve it? How are you going to find weaknesses and make corrections before an event reveals them, an event – as unlikely as it may be – that end up costing real people their lives because the response was inadequate or poorly managed?
Think. Don’t believe in conspiracies that come nicely packed so that nothing can dispel it. Recognize the red flag. Put aside your belief, your gullibility to be fooled like anyone else, and insist on specific named sources armed with compelling evidence that can be falsified. In this way, you can rejoin the rational world. And when you come across nutbars like wannabe-governor Vanderbeek, just back away slowly and leave him to his fantastic fantasies.
As always, I do appreciate your comments while I may not completely agree with them.
I do realize that this is unfalsifiable. It is a win-win for a politician. Regardless what happens he has born his own fruit.
I do eye most things closely, though I admit, I didn’t do much more research on this one. I have followed many things up false trails and discredited them myself.
Could I commit such an atrocity as this? Hell, no. I don’t believe that many folks would, whether they are in law enforcement or not. I’ve seen various estimates in the percentage of psychopathy in the United States, from one percent to four percent or more. Even the low end of one out of a hundred supplies more than enough fiends willing to initiate violence against others for gain. Government which has a monopoly on the use of force draws psychopaths to it for the obvious reasons.
Men are social animals and respond well to the claims of authority. According to Milgram’s experiments, near two-thirds of the population are able to kill a stranger by the prompting of authority.
While people love to point the finger and say conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory to dismiss things unwanted in their realities, the truth remains, not all conspiracy theories are crackpot ideas. A mild search on the web will turn up plenty of examples such as Operation Northwoods or the Manhattan Project.
I certainly don’t believe everything that comes my way. I used to be horribly gullible. I even left the country once decades ago on some pretty flimsy evidence. Faked moon landing, NOT. Alien abductions, NOT. Visiting aliens, I highly doubt it. I once borrowed a book by David Icke from a friend of mine, and I couldn’t read the thing, as Icke seems to believe EVERY thing he is told. I was familiar with most of his material, but the fact that he believed it all makes him as crazy as Phillip Dick who believed most of his science fiction material.
I do appreciate your presence here. I hope that you continue to get something out of following my blog.
Myrthryn, step back a moment and look at this rationally: if no attack occurs, then we are to attribute it to the ‘exposure’ by Vanderbeek; if an attack does occur, then we are to attribute ‘insider knowledge’ to Vanderbeek, who claims the federal government is really a de facto Nazi regime.
Riiiiight.
In other words, all forthcoming evidence no matter what eventually happens will back up Vanderbeek. Our hero.
This is the hallmark of conspiracy thinking. And it’s irrational because it cannot be falsified. You’ve been duped into taking this crazy talk seriously. Taking unfalsifiable conspiracy theories seriously is a clear sign of a mental disorder because it dissociates any and all evidence provided by reality from having any effect on the conspiracy belief.
Start using your critical faculties and look at what informs Vanderbeek’s belief to see if the conclusion is rational. Trusted insiders? What trusted insiders? Note the assertion: one person associated with an ‘Intelligence service’ (someone whose son-in-law is a security guard at a mall?) and another who is associated with the ‘military’ (an on base dental assistant who happens to have sexual fantasies about the local Teabagger candidate, perhaps? Who knows?)
Come on.
And that this is the strongest evidence put forth doesn;t raise a few red flags in your evaluation?
The rest of the conspiracy just gets crazier and crazier because it involves thousands of co-conspirators doing their part… to kill children. How does this make any rational sense? Well, it doesn’t. Only a person deranged by some other superior belief – like a religious whack job – could possibly justify such an atrocity. The rest of us cannot.
How does killing citizens by home made pressure cooker bombs bring benefit to an equivalent degree anyone who works for the FBI? Present an FBI agent who is willing to cause mass murder in the name of ‘growing government’ (and recall that every employee is a real person who is a member of some family, a neighbour to real people, and another citizen just like you working for a federal law enforcement agency, after all). Does this nefarious plan carried out in Boston by people who admit to carrying it out make any sense to you? Would you participate in such a plan? Why would anyone else unless they were deranged enough to confuse pain and suffering and destruction and death with patriotism, who were willing to hold their government’s ‘growth’ in higher esteem than the life of an 8 year old boy cheering on marathon runners?
Look, emergency response tests are run all the time. We had one in our city just a few weeks ago involving hundreds of community college students to test responses from local police and firefighters to hospital preparedness for mass casualties. Once you’ve lived through a SARS epidemic or forest fire evacuations as we have here, you begin to realize just how important organized responses are. How are you going to improve it? How are you going to find weaknesses and make corrections before an event reveals them, an event – as unlikely as it may be – that end up costing real people their lives because the response was inadequate or poorly managed?
Think. Don’t believe in conspiracies that come nicely packed so that nothing can dispel it. Recognize the red flag. Put aside your belief, your gullibility to be fooled like anyone else, and insist on specific named sources armed with compelling evidence that can be falsified. In this way, you can rejoin the rational world. And when you come across nutbars like wannabe-governor Vanderbeek, just back away slowly and leave him to his fantastic fantasies.
As always, I do appreciate your comments while I may not completely agree with them.
I do realize that this is unfalsifiable. It is a win-win for a politician. Regardless what happens he has born his own fruit.
I do eye most things closely, though I admit, I didn’t do much more research on this one. I have followed many things up false trails and discredited them myself.
Could I commit such an atrocity as this? Hell, no. I don’t believe that many folks would, whether they are in law enforcement or not. I’ve seen various estimates in the percentage of psychopathy in the United States, from one percent to four percent or more. Even the low end of one out of a hundred supplies more than enough fiends willing to initiate violence against others for gain. Government which has a monopoly on the use of force draws psychopaths to it for the obvious reasons.
Men are social animals and respond well to the claims of authority. According to Milgram’s experiments, near two-thirds of the population are able to kill a stranger by the prompting of authority.
While people love to point the finger and say conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory to dismiss things unwanted in their realities, the truth remains, not all conspiracy theories are crackpot ideas. A mild search on the web will turn up plenty of examples such as Operation Northwoods or the Manhattan Project.
I certainly don’t believe everything that comes my way. I used to be horribly gullible. I even left the country once decades ago on some pretty flimsy evidence. Faked moon landing, NOT. Alien abductions, NOT. Visiting aliens, I highly doubt it. I once borrowed a book by David Icke from a friend of mine, and I couldn’t read the thing, as Icke seems to believe EVERY thing he is told. I was familiar with most of his material, but the fact that he believed it all makes him as crazy as Phillip Dick who believed most of his science fiction material.
I do appreciate your presence here. I hope that you continue to get something out of following my blog.
Peace, my friend.